H1+ZEUS Plenary

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DESY Hamburg

Matthew Wing (UCL), Stefan Schmitt (DESY)
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Minutes of H1/ZEUS meeting held on Feb 20, 2019
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The formal procedures to possibly have a preliminary combined H1+ZEUS
result on NNLO fits with HERA jets were discussed.
The following decisions were taken
  - to have the preliminary "request" meeting on March 20, 2019 at
      14:00. Iris volunteered to take care of the short writeup
   
  - to have the preliminary "approval" meeting in the week of April 1.
     After the meeting the date was discussed in the H1/ZEUS
     management and is now fixed to April 4 at 10:00

  - to create a web page to collect internal material (presentations etc).
     Stefan volunteered to set up the web-page, with help from the
     main analyzer team.

The fit results were presented and discussed.
The possible content of the preliminary results were discussed.
We agreed on looking at various extra studies to be presented next
time. Where possible, the corresponding plots should be shown in
"conference style", such that changes between the "request" and
"approval" meetings are expected to be small.

Decisions:
 - the fit will be named
        HERAPDF2.0Jets NNLO (prel)

 - for the preliminary we include the fit chi**2 and NDF, but nothing
   on the intermediate (NLO) fits with datasets different from
    HERAPDF2.0Jets NLO

 - we would like to release an alpha_s value with error breakdown

 - the writeup will be minimal: abstract, table with datasets,
   brief description or table with selection cuts and minimal fit
   details, figures with self-explaining captions.


Requests of studies/plots to be shown next time:
 - chi**2 as a function of alpha_s with "many" points, to read off the
     experimental error, compare to the Minuit error.

 - hadronisation uncertainty derived from offset method. The
    correlated H1 hadronisation uncertainty will be counted twice for
    practical reasons. This is accepted for the preliminary but will
    have to be corrected for the publication

 - parameterisation uncertainty

 - scale uncertainty to be determined as for HERAPDF2.0Jets NLO

 - comparisons of PDFS. There are three fits to be compared:
     HERAPDF2.0 NNLO
     HERAPDF2.0Jets NNLO (fixed alpha_s)
     HERAPDF2.0Jets NNLO (free alpha_s)
   we would like to see all sensible comparisons (of the "standard"
   PDF flavors) and then select the most instructive figures for the
   preliminary.
   Where available, we would like to include error bands on the new fits.

- if possible, also show results with a cut cut on
     Q^2>10,20 on inclusive data (as done for HERADPF2.0) but not on
     jet data. jet data are already restricted to high scales
     sqrt(Q^2+pt^2)>10, there is no need to cut on Q^2 alone.

   the main comparison here would be
    (a) alpha_s scans [as figure 65 in HERAPDF2.0 but now in NNLO]
    (b) the PDFs, in particular the gluon density with the Q^2>10,20 cuts

   these studies may be beyond the preliminary, but we still would
   like to see as much as possible of this next time.

Stefan Schmitt, 22.2.2019

 

There are minutes attached to this event. Show them.
    • 14:00 14:10
      Moving towards a DIS preliminary (formal aspects) 10m
      Speakers: Dr Katarzyna Wichmann (DESY), Matthew Wing (UCL), Dr Sergey Levonian (DESY), Stefan Schmitt (DESY), Dr iris Abt (MPI)
      Slides
    • 14:10 14:40
      HERADPF+jets at NNLO status report 30m
      Speakers: Prof. Amanda Cooper-Sarkar (Oxford), Dr Katarzyna Wichmann (DESY)
      Slides
    • 14:40 15:00
      Discussion on DIS preliminary 20m
      Speakers: Dr Katarzyna Wichmann (DESY), Matthew Wing (UCL), Dr Sergey Levonian (DESY), Stefan Schmitt (DESY), Dr iris Abt (MPI)